1. WLTC Class Logic pp. 168-180 (?)
2. Freewrite: When think about Tempest Landry's and Joshua Angel's lives, how would one define "faitr"?
3. Homework: Read package on toulmin. We will practice this final form next week.
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ReplyDeleteProfessor Sabir
English 5
I have not finished the book yet. So far, I don't think Tempest's judgment is fair, although I thought it was nice that Peter gave him a second chance to prove himself rather than just forcing him to go to hell. But overall, no, I don't think that the rules of heaven described in this book were at all fair. Tempest may have committed some minor sins but I don't believe they were worthy of sending him to hell. The money that Tempest stole was only because he was broke and needed the money for himself or other poor people. The kingdom of heaven is set up without understanding the limitations of society on Earth.
Jacob Mendoza
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Fairness
When speaking about Tempest his life was not fair. His whole life he did what he had to survive and helped others in the process. Tempest had a good heart yet when being judged by St. Peter he was condemned to hell. This is definitely not fair. When it came to Angel it was clear that the heavens were very strict at judging something they had never lived through. It was not fair to strip him of his position in heaven but I think he was happy in a way. He was happy to be with his wife and his daughter.
Relating to the book Tempest Tales by Walter Mosley, the idea of fairness seems to be completely subjective. There can be no one concrete idea of fairness due to the multitude of perspectives and experiences in the world. However, based upon what I have read so far of this book and previous opinions on the subject, it becomes clear that fairness can no longer be seen as blanketed idea. It needs to be seen in terms of the circumstances. That is the only way that true fairness can be judged.
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ReplyDeleteProfessor Sabir
English 5
10 May 2012
Freewrite
I would define fairness between 2 opposing view points as that both ideals would have to meet certain criteria where the outcomes would be both weighed the same. For both Angel and Tempest, because Angel had committed some what the same sins if not harsher than Tempest, Tempest's consequence to be sent to hell raises the question to why he should be punished for his sins if others who have also committed sins against St. Peter should be sent to heaven.
Evelyn Rodriguez
ReplyDeleteProfessor Sabir
English 5
10 May 2012
Fairness
When I think about Tempest and Angel, I actually believe that the sentence that Tempest was given was not fair. Tempest was sentenced to go to hell without having the motives of his sins taken into consideration. He was considered a sinner for using someone else’s health insurance to save Branwyn. In the end Tempest was till going to go to hell no matter how hard he fought for his innocence. Yet, Angel was able to be a sinner and still be let up in heaven. Angel was a sinner because he gave in into his temptations and ended up having sex before marriage and had a baby with that woman. Also, Tempest was not given a fair chance to show his innocence because he was sent to jail for something that he had not commit. Tempest life was never easy and being judged without looking into all the struggles he had to go through for being a poor black man is unfair.
William Everett
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5/10/12
Fairness
In tempest tales we are shown that life is not fair, even when you’re given a second chance of a clean start its still not completely level. In tempest tales a man is shot by a cop and sent to hell, and then later rebirthed to show that he is truly without sin. And angel is a sent to watch him to ensure that commits no sins and is too given a human form. Through the book the angel commits sins and is punished by him losing his angel status in heaven, however he gets to live out his life on earth. It revealed that the body tempest is given has already committed past crimes and is therefore put in prison. However while he has been reincarnated into a criminals body he still sins, but only for his well being because he is poor and has nothing else to do. However he is still going to hell, unlike the angel who has sinned and only gets a slap on the hand. By anyone’s standards this would seem hypocritical and unbalanced, but in tempests universe it seen as a fair judgment.
Ana Cristina Muro
ReplyDeleteProfessor Sabir
English 5
10 May 2012
Fairness free write
When I think of the lives of Tempest and Angel the way to define fair is that no matter what you do at the end you don’t get what you deserve. Angel was able to live his life with his wife and daughter. When he was actually on earth with a different purpose, which was to help tempest and convince him that he was a sinner. In the other hand, tempest is always committing good acts and is trying to prove that he is not a sinner. At the end after his good acts of not helping Bob/ Satan to not have people come and go to heaven or hell they wanted to he is still sentenced to hell. So to define fair is that you only have to have high power like being an angel to have a good life. Life is not fair if you are a minority and commit good acts that might be considered as a sin and you are still not going to have a good life. You will still be condemned for sins that can be forgivable.
Melvin Herring
ReplyDeleteProfessor Sabir
English 5
10 may 2012
Some people say fairness is being equal, but to me fairness depends on the person, some people should not be dealt the same cards in life. Why should we try to give a bad person a change at having a winning hand, this appears a lot in the novel “The Tempest Tales”. Tempest is a man who has sinned, he tried to compare himself too other men who he knew was bad cold hearted criminals. He wanted to try to prove he had a unfair advantage, everyone wasn’t giving an equal chance.
Monsoon Pandey
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Aaron Villanueva
Liliulachelle Finley
English 5
Fairness
In the book, The Tempest Tales, fairness is an illusion. Although it has been said that humans are free and have free will, in reality this is not the case. Tempest is sent back to earth without the chance to prove he is innocent. Instead, he is only sent back to admit his sins and accept the judgment decreed by St Peter which was given regardless of the circumstances that Tempest was in at the time. Tempest says to Angel that he is “because I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t. That’s what a man’s life is all about.” When Tempest is sent to Earth he is not only robbed of the opportunity to prove his innocence, but he is given the body of a guilty man to inhabit. Even if he was able to somehow show that he did not deserve the dissention into hell, he was doomed to be a guilty man no matter what the circumstance. Heaven is supposed to be a righteous judge however this type of unfair justice is a mirror of the situation on Earth. African Americans are said to be free of physical and moral chains however they are often discriminated because of the color of their skin.
Don't forget to include your name in the post, so you can have credit for it. Generally, a freewrite is an individual assignment (smile).
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When one thinks about Tempest’s story and the Angel’s, we realize that fairness should be defined based on an assessment of incidents and going through the route of how one came to such a position. For example Tempest was only living and making choices based on what life offered to him. If he had a better life, more opportunities, financial resources, he would have made other choices than stealing. His life was always on survival mode, and that’s not fair, so it’s fair for him to use other means in order to remain alive. The angel had a stable job, stable income, more opportunities, so he had a pretty “fair” life.
Lola Levi
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Eng. 5
5/10/12
Free write
When one thinks about Tempest Landry and Joshua Angel lives, how would one define “fair”?
From the reading I wouldn’t think that Angel began with a fairness, but as time moved on in the story he felt as if he didn’t have a choice b/c of the feelings that humans have, and he was having those feelings that he did not have before as a angel.
When it came down to Tempest, I felt that how he looked at fairness was very valid. He stated on page 74, that the cops took his innocent life, wasn’t fair an angel stated “life isn’t fair”. I totally agree that it wasn’t fair for him to die being wrongly identified. Angel was also right when he said that life wasn’t fair because it ain’t. We as a people just have to learn to except life for what it is, and do our best at what ever is placed before us.
Daniela Debergue
ReplyDeleteProfessor Sabir
English 5
9 May 2012
Cyber Assignment: When thinking about Tempest Landry's and Joshua Angel's lives, how would one define "fair"?
In Tempest’s and Angel’s lives, “fair” is almost synonymous with “moral.” There is really no question of fairness in the book with regard to Tempest’s damnation to Hell, it is simply Heaven’s word, and because Heaven is pure and good (moral), the decision to send Tempest to Hell is deemed fair. However, for any of Heaven’s decisions to be considered fair, the angels at the pearly gates would have to treat everyone equally without favoritism or discrimination, which doesn’t happen. Heaven weighs sins and chooses those with less sins on their life record to become part of the Holy land. This is essentially playing favoritism with sins, making some sins worse than others. Who is to say that Tempest’s sins committed on Earth were any worse than any of the sins those who are let into Heaven commit while they are on Earth? Heaven makes the ultimate decision, but that doesn’t necessarily make the decision fair.
Shayne Keator
ReplyDeleteProfessor Sabir
English 5
12 May 2012
When thinking about Tempest Landry's and Joshua Angel's lives, how would one define "fair"?
St. Peter’s judgement of Tempest is unfair. He does not look at all of the circumstance of which Tempest has sinned. In my opinion, the fact that St. Peter is fair by sending Tempest back to Earth to prove his innonence. The circumstances in which Tempest arrives at Heaven’s gate is not fair; to be murdered by police officers for doing no wrong is unfair. The circumstances in which Tempest is thrown into a prison at the end of the novel is also not fair.
When Tempest and Angel are sent to Earth they are both given different living conditions. Angel has a good job and a place to live, and Tempest has to scrounge and steal to survive. Angel judges Tempest without knowing what it’s like to be a African American mortal with low-income. Angel eventually grasps how hard it is survive in world.
When thinking about Tempest Landry’s and Joshua Angel’s lives, I would define fairness as something that is completely based on opinion. Tempest’s perception of fairness is different than Angel’s, and Angel’s perception of fairness is different from Tempest’s. Tempest has had a much more difficult life than Angel. Opportunities have not been handed to Tempest, as they have been for Angel. Tempest has had to struggle to survive, which could be perceived as unfair. Through my perception of fairness, Angel has had a much more fair existence.
Edwin Peabody
ReplyDeleteProfessor Sabir
English 5
10 May 2012
I don’t believe that Tempest was giving a fair second chance to prove his innocents of his sins. He was placed back on earth in a criminal body, which already made him a second-class citizen. He also never had a chance to win in this situation. No matter how much Tempest tried to get the Joshua to understand why he committed these sins, Joshua was never really interested in understanding Tempest reasoning. All Joshua wanted was for Tempest to admit to guilt. It is not fair that Tempest is even put in the situation because three white police officers decided to shoot him down for doing absolutely nothing wrong. For tempest to receive damnation to hell because of his small petty sins is wrong.
For heaven to judge which sins are over looked and not over looked is a sign of favoritism, which obvious creates a second class of people because they are not being looked at equally. I don’t quite understand how Tempest was denied access to heaven but the police officers that committed murder on an innocent man were all still able to go to heaven. I don’t understand how Tempest Landry sins could not be over looked. How can murder be over looked but Tempest’s petty sins cannot be over looked. Tempest never had a chance.
Ronald Parker
ReplyDeleteProfessor Sabir
English 5
15 May 2012
How would one define "fair"?
There is really no question of fairness in the book with regard to Tempest’s damnation to Hell, it is simply Heaven’s word, and because Heaven is pure and good, the decision to send Tempest to Hell is deemed fair. It is kind of like when you are in school and you get in trouble. When in trouble even if it is or isn’t your fault the teachers word always hold more power than yours. It doesn’t seem fair because it seems as if Saint Peter is letting the people with less sin in their life go to heaven and people who have committed more go to hell. If they wanted it to be fair everyone should have been considered equal and let in heavens gates. This is when we begin to question judgment. Who is to say one man is better than another, or even who is to say you are so almighty and sin free you can judge people?